1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,000 We were leaving there and you go from Harrington into Davenport and my wife and I were driving 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000 and saw some cars moving. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Could we back up just a minute? 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,000 You're Major Burke. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Yes, sir. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,000 U.S. Air Force retired. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Yes. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,000 This was between Harrington and Davenport? 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Yes, from Harrington, Washington, it squirts a little town and is about 13 miles to Davenport. 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:41,000 My wife and I were leaving Harrington to Davenport and we saw these claws, you know, and though 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,000 there were two big ones and they weren't... 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,000 You saw a hood again? 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Huh? 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 What was it? 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 You saw one? 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Well, they looked like claws or... and they weren't quite claws or large claws. 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 They were just... 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Oh, hell, I don't know how to say it, but anyway, they were dark gray and they moved with us, 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000 you know, that 13 mile. 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,000 They moved with you about 13 miles? 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Yeah, and we were the only ones... 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,000 We're just dark gray clouds. 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Yes. 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Okay? 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,000 They had... 26 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Well, a larger one was this, kind of a mass like a... 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Well, you might feel like a balloon or... 28 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Oh, it had a definite shape, but then there was about three or four smaller ones around it, 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 you know? 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Mm-hmm. 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 You know what I'm trying to say? 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Mm-hmm. 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:42,000 And I watched them and they went with us for 13 miles down to Davenport, so I... 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Now, wait a minute, these are not like claws I've known, those 21 years I flew, you know, 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 in the Air Force. 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Mm-hmm. 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,000 I told them, why are these things, those things don't look like clouds, you know? 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,000 And so we stopped. 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 We stopped in Davenport, you know? 40 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Mm-hmm. 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 13 miles down the road and... 42 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 I'll be damned, there's claws going to stop. 43 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,000 The bigger one and then the other three or four or whatever they were, you know? 44 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Mm-hmm. 45 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:20,000 And now, you know, I'm not one to think and to think that, you know... 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Anyway, so we went from Davenport on to another little town, not as far as we're going from there. 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 Another 15 miles, you know? 48 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Yeah. 49 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Yeah. 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,000 So, okay, this is, hey, Mark, let's stop, you know? 51 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 This cloud, you know? 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Or this blue-gray mass and then the other four or five, you know? 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 I swear they stopped when we stopped at Davenport, didn't they? 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,000 They stopped. 55 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 So we went on the rear and I said, hey, let's stop down here and just get those things, 56 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 you know, on those clouds. 57 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Yeah. 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:05,000 So, okay, I stopped down to this little town and they stopped, the clouds stopped. 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,000 You know, it's not weird, don't any car on the road at this time, you know, and not bring any clouds. 60 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,000 So I thought, well, hell, I'm going to Fairchild Airport Station, you know? 61 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,000 And I'll tell them about this cloud, you know, the farm and the farm and so on. 62 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,000 So I went to Fairchild and of course, uh... 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Then the clouds stopped for Fairchild. 64 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,000 And when I went in and told this young corporator where we were there, you know, 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:41,000 and of course, you know, I think, you know, I'm drunk or I'm stupid or something, but anyway, it was nice. 66 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Now, incidentally, what date was this? 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,000 This was today, just about... 68 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Oh, just about a half an hour ago. 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Oh, just about a half an hour ago? 70 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Yeah, I just... 71 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 That would have been about nine o'clock then. 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Well, I see, this is what now. 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Yeah, this is... 74 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 9.44 now. 75 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Yeah, so, uh... 76 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Well, let's see, what was it? 77 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Well, yeah, our second stop was downtown Police Department, they left us at us too, but, uh... 78 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 What the hell, ten weeks on by to Fairchild, I suppose. 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 80 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,000 I don't know, I see, it's about quarter to ten now, ain't it? 81 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:25,000 So, I must remember, uh, 8.30 or 9.30 or 9.15 or something, you know? 82 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,000 About 9.15 when you stopped at Fairchild. 83 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Yeah, yeah. 84 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 I'm sorry, but, uh... 85 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,000 I am positive in my own mind that these things weren't closed. 86 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,000 I see, I take it you've done quite a bit of flying. 87 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Uh, sure, I've had, uh... 88 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Probably flown, uh... 89 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 or... 90 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,000 I don't know, I don't know. 91 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Now, see, I've been D-36s for 12 years. 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:02,000 I must have 20 or 30 hours flying time, 20,000 hours, you know? 93 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,000 At least 20,000 hours flying time. 94 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Well, my question, the reason I asked this, you're familiar with Peralax. 95 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Yeah. 96 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 The apparent movement of objects. 97 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Yes. 98 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Yeah, well, I, uh... 99 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 I was sure you were, but... 100 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 I was all for making my own big one. 101 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Yeah, yeah, I, um... 102 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:23,000 I didn't want to insult you by asking the question, but I wanted to establish that you did know 103 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:29,000 that when you're traveling many times, uh, objects appear to be moving with you when they're far away. 104 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,000 I take it you're very familiar with that. 105 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Yes, I think I've seen them in, uh, Pacifica many times, but, uh... 106 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Man, I'm not one to get... 107 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Well, let's go back to these clouds now. 108 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Were they, um, just, uh... 109 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:49,000 What were they, small size, little, fluffy, uh, objects, or were they large areas of cloud? 110 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Well, uh, the big one, there was about, not one, there was, uh... 111 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:06,000 The larger one was, uh, quite large, it was gray in color, and, uh, there was about three, maybe four smaller ones, you know, 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,000 but they didn't have any different shape, you know, or... 113 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,000 And they seemed to be with this larger, uh... 114 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,000 You know, in other words, they moved with it. 115 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Okay. 116 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:25,000 They moved, well, you say they didn't have any definite shape, were they just, uh, roughly circular, or long, or... 117 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:31,000 The larger one was, uh, rather like, uh, it was large, and, uh... 118 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Well, and that rectangle, particularly, but it was, uh, took on the shape of, uh... 119 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Hmm. 120 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Like a large balloon, really, and, uh... 121 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Sort of an oval, rough oval shape. 122 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Yeah, it was, it didn't have any definite, like, you know, uh... 123 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Yeah, sort of an irregular. 124 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Yeah, I didn't have the, uh, fine lines of a... 125 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Okay, and you say a dark, dark gray, did they look solid like, or... 126 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,000 They sure did, they didn't look just like a puff of cloud. 127 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 No, no, I know a puff of cloud. 128 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 You know a puff of cloud. 129 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Yeah, but, uh, this one, uh... 130 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,000 I don't know why they... 131 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Uh, well, what, okay, I'm... 132 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000 How far did they seem to be from you? 133 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Oh, I'd say, uh, uh, maybe 2,000 feet, uh... 134 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Uh, they worked right down far away. 135 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,000 I'm sure they were a mile, you know. 136 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Yeah, okay, if they were 2,000 feet away from you, uh... 137 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 And they followed you for 13 miles, obviously, they were moving... 138 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:47,000 The clouds, okay, I have to do this again, apparently. 139 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Yeah, uh, at that time, how dark was it there? 140 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,000 The sun was down, uh, I take it, and it was... 141 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Was the sky dark or light? 142 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 The sky dark or light, yeah. 143 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 It was just getting dark, wasn't it? 144 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,000 It was bright, so here it wasn't really, really that dark, you know. 145 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,000 It was not dark yet, but getting dark. 146 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 There were lights on the car, apparently, you know. 147 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Pardon? 148 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 We didn't have lights, you know. 149 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,000 You didn't have your lights on yet? 150 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 No. 151 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Yeah. 152 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:29,000 You know, and if, uh, the cloud, uh, and there's four or five little, other clouds around, you know... 153 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,000 If the cloud was going to, uh, lay down down for it, 154 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,000 and I stopped blowing, I was just stopping, I feel like I'm doing it. 155 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 I think I found the cloud when I stopped. 156 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 They all, yeah, they all kind of, these little, smaller ones, 157 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 were a big one, you know. 158 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:55,000 And, uh, then, I was like, well, okay, let's move here, 159 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,000 and put down another program called, uh, Realtion. 160 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Okay. 161 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 And it was... 162 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Yeah, Major, could we, could we send you a, um, questionnaire to fill out 163 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,000 so we can have it in our file? 164 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 I think I've got everything down here, but, uh, okay. 165 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Well, this, uh, this sounds like a very interesting report, 166 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 and I'm sure that we'd like to get a little follow-up information on it. 167 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,000 So we will be sending you a questionnaire, 168 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 and I hope you'll take the time to fill it out, and, uh... 169 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Ah, well, I couldn't have wrote, because, uh, 170 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,000 I've never helped anyone strike on this before, you know. 171 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Mm-hmm. Well, uh, this is certainly a very interesting sighting, 172 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,000 and when we get someone with your qualifications for observing, 173 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,000 why, um, we can have a little confidence in it, I'm sure. 174 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Yeah, I know, man. 175 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,000 I got down to Mediterranean, a long time ago, when I was young boy, 176 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,000 and, uh, I had many, many, 20-hour sentences. 177 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,000 You say you saw UFO and down in the Mediterranean? 178 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 No. 179 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Oh! 180 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,000 Oh, excuse me, I thought you said... 181 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,000 No, no, no. No, it's the first time I ever saw a cloud stop and watch me go. 182 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,000 For about 40, 50 miles. 183 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Mm-hmm. It actually followed you for 40 or 50 miles then. 184 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Yeah, I did. I haven't seen clouds like that before, though. 185 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 186 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Well, okay. 187 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Did you have, were they low enough on the horizon so that you could get a, um, 188 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 any relationship between them and, um, 189 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 the ground about how high they might be? 190 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Well, I would estimate that, uh, the clouds, they weren't that high. 191 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 They were about 2,000 feet probably, you know. 192 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:42,000 They never got low enough to go in front of any hills or trees or anything. 193 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 They were above the horizon at all times. 194 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,000 They kind of off to our, uh, our left, and they stayed, uh... 195 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Off to your left, and you were traveling, uh, south and east? 196 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Yeah, traveling, uh, southeast. 197 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Yeah, traveling east, yeah, southeast, yes. 198 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Mm-hmm. 199 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Yeah, they stayed, um, they stayed back, but I stopped those two or three times, you know. 200 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Just do what the clouds would do. 201 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Mm-hmm. 202 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 And when you stopped, they stopped. 203 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 They don't follow on the road, you know, out in the area. 204 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,000 So I'll be dancing. God damn clouds didn't stop. 205 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 And now I stopped. 206 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Yeah. 207 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,000 So, okay. 208 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Well, very well. Uh, thank you very much for calling. 209 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Well, thank you, sir, for listening to me. 210 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Yeah, well, it's very good. We, uh, we have to get these reports before we can do anything, 211 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:36,000 and we will put this in the files and we'll follow up if there's any way that we can, 212 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,000 and we haven't had any other reports from that area this evening, 213 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 but we will certainly keep a watch for them. 214 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Well, yeah, I know, but, uh... 215 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Okay. 216 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Okay. 217 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Thank you, sir, for listening. 218 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Yeah, thank you very much for calling.